Broadly speaking, you probably agree with the large majority of the views commonly attributed to whichever group you identify with - what are the exceptions? Something that if you mention without a caveat immediately makes people jump to conclusions or even attack you?
I keep getting downvoted because I advocate always voting left. Even if currently the democrats aren’t left wing, they are more left than Republicans. And if you keep voting for the most left candidate then over time they’ll keep shifting more and more left. Republicans will learn they’ll never win unless they start moving left so they’ll move left, then the Democrats will move more left.
Letting republicans win because the current democrat isn’t left enough is, IMHO, stupid.
That having a better education is directly tied to income levels, so talking down to ‘idiots’ is actually some bougie bullshit.
Lemmy is a website full of people who are left-populists on paper, but hate the population.
The average Lemmite should never be in charge of anything that their IT degree doesn’t qualify them for.
IT degree
From my experience, that’s giving the average lemmite way to much credit.
Lemmy wants the baby without the labor pains.
“Destroy Capitalism!”
“But what about the millions who will die in the ensuing chaos!?!”
“Well dont do it that way!”
“Which way then?”
“DESTROY CAPITALISM!”
Yeah the system is fucked and definitely needs change, but its either gradual or violent and as someone who came up with rough crowds in rough places. Most people arent cut out for when the actual violence starts.
practical and pragmatic reforms are boring. good policy making is boring.
hence why nobody gets excited by it. it’s much more exciting to sit around daydream about the revolution than get involved in community or political groups or read public policy white papers that report the cause and effect of policies in a complex manner.
I used to work in public policy. It was really cool, until you realize nobody gives a fuck about making the world better. especially the politicans. all they can about is riling people up emotionally.
all they can about is riling people up emotionally.
Damn, this shit goes all the way to the places where people signed up for boring policy work and can make a difference?
no, the policy nerds just want to to do good work. but good work isn’t politically viable. they also typically aren’t ideological because they are evidence-driven.
the politicians don’t care about it, all they want is soundbytes to ragebait their voters. they want the ‘evidence’ to proof D is good, R is bad. or vice versa.
You’re not entirely wrong but their are outliers like me! I graduated top of my class from a boogie High School (the most expensive in CT) I dropped out of college and now work as a dishwasher, its the most fun I’ve had in my past decade of employment from various companies, and the best paying? Why does that happen? I’m being paid $18/hr to wash dishes, its my dream job (no customer interactions) I studied CS in college and I’m very literate in all computer related tech (Fuck AI)
throwing away opportunity is a lot easier than having none at all.
That we should renationalise all public services here in the UK. I genuinely believe that. I’m essentially a left of centre capitalist, but I believe private companies using shared national infrastructure for shareholder profit under the lie of ‘competition’ is bullshit.
Thames water was a clusterfuck
In America its still not ok to be an atheist. Truly weird that it is ok to be part of several different mutually exclusive cults who all believe things that if they were not connected to a proper religion would get you laughed at but if you don’t have a cult its not ok.
on the coasts nobody cares. you must be talking about the south. the majority of the population in cities in atheist or non-practicing.
This honestly just isn’t true 70% of the pop is still Christian.
I get why the whole “colorblind” thing ended, but what we replaced it with is even worse.
Well I guess it’s that I have a difficult time understanding trans folk. My belief is that we should be working towards accepting and loving our bodies regardless of how they are formed, with all of their flaws intact. I feel complicated towards cosmetic surgery as a result of this belief.
Obligatory caveat: I still love trans people, you’re ALL valid and I continue to learn from you.the thing is you won’t/don’t notice most trans people. they are living their lives not bothering anyone.
it’s just the extremist nutbags that get attention and kind of paint a poor picture of trans folks. i’ve known some very miserable and shitty trans people who are hard to forget, but i met a lot more i odn’t even remember because they never got in my face and bothered me or said crazy shit. but they are the same as any extremist/nutbag of any persuasion or identity who thinks anyone different than them is subhuman and they are the model for some master race.
People that live as their chosen gender are happier. People who don’t are much more likely to kill themselves. Hard to argue with that.
I mean yeah, hard agree, but Trans people ain’t a monolith and I would like to learn more about them.
I don’t like neopronouns
neopronouns
never heard this term until today. Thanks.
A neopronoun is any gendered pronoun that isn’t she, he, or they! The history of neopronouns in English goes back a couple hundred years- though the term “neopronoun” itself wasn’t coined until recently- and they can range from pre-existing terms like “it” to something made up for one’s own personal use. The more you know!
I"m just glad i got out of school before people started throwing protests about being called ‘xe’
At this point I don’t really have anyone I identify with.
Believing in facts and reality over ideology and idealism.
And as an extension of that, focusing what people do, not what they say they do or want to do.
(everyone hated that and took it personally)
the quickest way to lose friends and get people to hate you to is to point out people’s actions.
especially when they are complaining about x y or z, and they do x y or z.
Religion and spirituality, broadly considered, are not inherently evil. That organized religion can justify great evils is a function of human weakness, nothing more.
Then again, this is coupled with a ‘there is no god but that we create ourselves/god has no material existence, but is no less powerful for that’’ POV, which is admittedly a weird one that I’ve been pulling at for a bit. Nothing to do with the nature of our reality or first causes, everything to do with our relationship to reality.
Yep
Came here to comment on the religion part. Humans are biologically programmed to be in a tribe and we need an “other” and we need a bad guy. On its own religion could be a neutral or a good thing, but it fits that need for tribalism and a common enemy and feeling superior. It’s the same mindset as nationalism or racism or when fans of sports teams riot and beat the shit out of each other for no reason. If religion never existed humanity would have just discovered some other way to segregate ourselves, feel superior, order each other around with arbitrary rules even the in group can’t agree on, and isolate and kill those who don’t comply. Add in manipulative people who are all too eager to hop into leadership roles and use them for their own power and selfish gain and you have pure evil, but it’s the system, not the religion, that’s a distraction.
I largely agree, but I don’t think people actually need to have an “other” to hate. I suspect it’s an easily activated community-level defense mechanism, if that makes sense. One that’s easily a used by manipulative people.
I’m just trying to figure it if there’s an evolutionarily-selected use for having manipulative power-seeking types in our populations, or if they truly are more analogous to a parasitic mutation of a more conventional personality type.
I can’t say that I disagree with anything here. What bugs me about it is that at an idea at the core of many religions is that all us humans are of one kind, some particular expression of the universe (however that’s conceptualized), and can/should act in that fashion, towards each other and the world around us.
But it’s almost always turned into a footnote among a bunch of other bullshit that perpetuates tribalism, subjugation and violence. Going to use words that are easily poked apart, but I hope the idea comes across: we all contain something of the divine. It’s a miracle we exist at all, and maybe it’s possible we can all act like it and set aside meaningless divisions. One ‘tribe’, the world over, created by mutual recognition and respect rather than force and othering.
Literally all the bones are there, you just have to cast out the outdated divisive bullshit. But doing so also involves actively rejecting some ugly facts about humans as a group, which is, well, hard - to put it mildly.
Idk - this is all why I don’t talk about my beliefs (such as they are) too much, and just try my best to act with the good stuff above in mind as much as possible.
I’m not at all religious now, but I was raised Christian. There’s some awful, awful shit in the Bible, but Jesus was such a chill dude. If everyone acted like Jesus, the world would be an awesome place. He was just a hippie who drank wine and hung out with his bros and made friends with prostitutes and outcasts and condemned the church leaders who abused their positions. According to legend he was the legit son of God and yet when he was asked to judge sinners he was like yo dudes that’s not my place only my dad can do that I’m not worthy and neither are any of you, maybe instead of worrying about what other people are doing you should deal with your own issues, ok? Can you imagine if people actually lived like that? I’m not as familiar with other religions, but from what I know other major prophets were pretty chill, cool dudes too. If people actually followed the prophets of their religions instead of being assholes, religion would be great. Instead we have poor people being exploited, women and children being abused, and the entire system is fucked and corrupted because of human nature run amok.
100%. It’s why (when I take a look at things from my bottom-up god POV, which is a key stumbling point here re:implementation) I think a Christian movement that interprets the fucked system behind such outcomes as ‘Satanic’ corruptions to be cast aside would be interesting and possibly pretty cool. Or it’d just continue the cycle of fucked up shit with new window dressing, idk.
Satanic in quotes 'cause there’s lots you can unpack with that term/figure, but you know, popular broad strokes version - evil force trying to keep us from what we can be. It’s really just us getting in our own way IMO.
Truth of the matter is people who aren’t religious always have a proxy for religion in their lives, which they irrationally worship.
And they are often prepared to justify evil towards others in defense of that proxy and use it to justify their social and moral superiority to those that don’t hold to it the way they believe they do.
It’s just how human beings are. But a lot of them are in rampant denial of it if you confront them over it.
People have passions about other things than Jeebus. They are often irrational and they tend to become attached to their pre-existing notions. These basic facts about humanity doesn’t make their other passions a proxy for religion.
Typical cultist thinking. People’s politics and thought processes are a religion like bald is a hair color.
so MAGA isn’t a cult? the .ml users who are all rabid communists and think anyone who isn’t are facist nazis, aren’t a cult?
ok buddy
Religion and politics are oft intertwined that doesn’t make them the same thing. In fact you might note that insofar as MAGA membership in a christian cult is highly correlated with being in a political cult.
Some of us aren’t in any cult. Maybe that can be you one day.
sorry, what cult am I?
weird that you know so much about me.
I had figured you to be one of the hurr durr atheism is a type of religion hurr durr types which are almost always Christians or the flavor of agnostic that holds so many Christian beliefs that you might as well call them Christian in everything but name. Did I guess wrong?
sounds like you think there is such a thing as a ‘true’ atheist? and you are one and everyone else isn’t?
sounds pretty cultist to me…
I believe privately owned cars and on-street parking should be banned in cities, except for very few regulated exceptions, and replaced with municipal car sharing.
Having children is borderline unethical given the capitalist hellscape they will be born into, the relatively high likelihood that they will not be able to live to old age due to risk of large parts of the planet becoming uninhabitable with climate change, and considering that reduced birth rates is the most ethical path to a lower population on the planet, which, though technically not a strict requirement of a greener future, certainly makes it a lot easier.
No shade for any kids living today or parents who choose to have them despite the above. I understand why people do it and I don’t blame anyone for it. But it is worth pointing out that current birth rates in most countries are not sustainable, and the seemingly constant fearmongering about falling birthrates in places where it’s low needs to go away. Yes, it’s bad for the economy if the new generation is smaller than their parents. That’s a problem with the system and its design (one of many), and not at all a rationale for having kids.
Mostly agree with you. I think the parents that agree with you should feel some regret though.
The trouble is, if all the considerate people who don’t want kids don’t have kids, the only people left will be the kids of the kids that did want kids.
I will be honest, I held this same view for many years and still agree with it on the face of it but there were two things that people said to me that softened my view.
- We need good people to make more good people. (Apparently my friends think I’m a good person. Weird)
- There be dragons in our society but what good are dragons without dragon slayers?
Obviously these weren’t the only factors but they both really resonated with me. My first dragon slayers is due this month
The trick here I think is parenting in a way that passes along whatever good you may have to your child. Unfortunately (or fortunately, in some cases) the moral compass and general ethics of the parents don’t always translate to the kid. How to do that effectively is a whole other psychological debate. Either way, congrats and best of luck!
That Lemmy can be just as bigoted, hostile, and close-minded as the sites it set out to replace; it drives out views which aren’t in line with the gestalt majority. This thread, then, mostly gets answers which are on the mildest end because those who actually hold opinions out of step with the majority know damn well not to speak up, or, well… be immediately othered.
in my experience that’s especially true of certain instances, but not others. mostly along ideological lines.
Yeahs and people are on good behavior in posts like this. The “lemmy” doesn’t come out as much.
This thread, then, mostly gets answers which are on the mildest end because those who actually hold opinions out of step with the majority know damn well not to speak up, or, well… be immediately othered
Bigotry against the bigoted isn’t bigotry.
Turns out that people are assholes regardless of platform
Care to provide specific examples? I’m not saying you’re wrong, I’m just curious as to what things about this place that you consider to be “bigoted”. Because my experience has been that the opinions that aren’t tolerated here are themselves the bigoted opinions.
Look back on my profile at the recent comment where I mentioned Johnny Depp being a disgusting drunk rapist who groomed a woman half his age and sued her for defaming him when she spoke about the backlash she received for speaking out against his domestic abuse.
Because my experience has been that the opinions that aren’t tolerated here are themselves the bigoted opinions.
This is a tautology. All you are saying here is ‘anything i declared bigoted shouldn’t be tolerated’.
other people may not agree with your interpretation of bigoted. I see all sorts of hateful bigoted crap on here, it’s just about what group it’s targeting. I got banned from Autism community because I pointed out their bigoted hatred of ‘normies’ was messed up and many members there had a weird superiority complex about autism.
All you are saying here is ‘anything i declared bigoted shouldn’t be tolerated’.
Yep. Basically this. And to bring it back around to OP’s question:
[Opinions] you mention without a caveat immediately makes people jump to conclusions or even attack you?
…well, it feels like this is a great example. Suggest that the fediverse has a bit of a bigotry problem, and you immediately get hit with an implication that no, everything is fine, if you’re not happy then you must actually be the bigot!
Oh man, to test this, just go somewhere and defend women. You’ll be destroyed.
gender war bullshit is bullshit.
lemmy is full of anti-men threads. there was a massive one a few days ago with 100s of comments. is that pro-woman?
I don’t know, personally I’m against anti-whatever nonsense. I’m not in any camp, but I will point out my gendered life experiences, because the often go against the popular grain of gender essentialism that many people are conceptual wedded to.
I’m a Democrat who values the 2nd amendment and doesn’t think we should just ban guns in the U.S. Stronger regulations and safety measures? Sure, absolutely. But I do think people should have the right to own and use firearms for recreation, hunting, personal protection, etc.
I think you’ll find that most people by a wide margin agree that prohibition of anything generally doesn’t work, and what they are looking for is regulations and enforcement.
I know plenty of people on the Left who want to ban guns, European-style. They think anyone who owns one is partially psychopathic and have a fetish about killing things. You’re right, they’re probably in the minority, but I question by just how much. I don’t think they’re as fringe as some people would like to believe.
Personal firearms ownership is legal in Europe.
My understanding was that it’s only legal under highly restricted conditions. If you’re just Joe Schmoe, you’re not going to be able to get a firearm just because you have no criminal history and no evidence of mental illness.
Yes but if you’re looking for a total firearms ban, Europe is a bad example. They have a long history of participation in hunting and shooting sports.
There are a lot of vocal anti gun nuts out there though.
Where I live, mentioning you own, or would like to own a gun, gets you labeled as a fascist Nazi/proto murderer. That’s regardless of all your other beliefs or political positions.
And there’s a fair amount of 2a absolutists out there too.
I agree up to the point where the amendment is pointed at as disallowing reasonable regulation. If that’s the case, end 2A. But my goal is regulation, not abolishment. If 2A folks (mainly the Supreme Court here) can accept regulation existing in parallel with 2A, then I’m happy.
I’m mainly thinking about preventing school shootings and domestic violence and murder, so restrictions of some sort on mental health / violent history.
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I think trans athletes should be able to compete only in their assigned gender at birth category, if the sport is gender-segregated.
I think sports governing bodies should be able to determine this for themselves and their particular sport. But that’s a little too pragmatic for a lot of folks.
But yeah, this gets you labeled an anti-trans bigot these days. Despite the fact practically speaking the particularities are involve really can’t be generalized. In some cases there will be a unfair advantage, in others, not.
Yeah, I got into a discussion on this topic and my suggestion is that sports split on other categories, not just gender. Boxing already does weight classes, which is good, more sports should do that. Can’t we have sports for people under 5’8"? I’m sure there’s lots of shortkings who’d love to compete seriously in a league where there height wasnt an detriment.
This approach seemed to offend both sides of the trans sports debate.
and we divide a lot of youth sports by age categories, and often kids who are more/less developed get bumped into the more appropriate age bracket. it’s bullshit (and dangerous) to have a 12 year old who is 150 lbs and in puberty playing with other 12 year olds who are 100 and pre pubescent.
I don’t think that those are the same position.
Let’s update our understanding and use other more meaningful categories that better reflect people’s lived experiences is a good idea. Let’s confine our understanding and hold people in rigid categories that often do not match their lived experiences is not.
John Oliver also has a good segment on this topic, if you’re interested.
Also, one could listen to someone such as Erin in the morning to understand the context of the anti-trans sports campaign.
Some of what Erin describes here is that much of the current anti-trans efforts are being funded and pushed by many of the same religious fundamentalist groups that previously pushed “defense of marriage” campaigns and and legislation against gay people.
The market research that these groups have used since losing that debate have shown them that religious arguments against inclusion are generally unpopular. So now they’ve made a very deliberate, and rather successful, effort to repackage their agenda through the sports topic instead.
Yes, but the thing you’re missing is how much of USA culture is tied up in sports. Including college admissions through popular team sports. This topic hits a lot broader because it’s about sports, and shitloads of money.
Hence nobody cares if there are trans people in niche sports with no money. For example, I mountain bike. Nobody cares, because mountain biking is increidbly niche and there zero money in and and there are like 13 NCAA mountain biking teams in the country… and if you win a competitive mtb race you win like $100.
But if it’s Basketball… we’re talking billions of dollars.
I come from a family of many female athletes. They aren’t anti trans or religionous but they are anti-trans women in women’s sports. They believe in a separate trans/non-gender category, but that’s not a solution trans-advocates want. They want trans women to be in women’s sports, and not men’s sports. (and of course, nobody cares about trans men)
Transgender ladies who are on oestrogen and testosterone blockers aren’t any stronger or faster than cis ladies.
Gender affirming surgery for trans women often includes bone shaving in various locations because your skeleton does not substantially change in response to your hormones. Hormone treatment does not affect your skeleton.
Also, in the same way that it is easier for people who have lost weight to put that weight back on because they already have those extra fat cells, people who lose muscle mass will have an easier time gaining muscle back because they already have those extra muscle cells.
Gender-affirming care massively reduces the difference, but transwomen are still likely to be faster than AFAB women:
Prior to gender affirming hormones, transwomen performed 31% more push-ups and 15% more sit-ups in 1 min and ran 1.5 miles 21% faster than their female counterparts. After 2 years of taking feminising hormones, the push-up and sit-up differences disappeared but transwomen were still 12% faster. Prior to gender affirming hormones, transmen performed 43% fewer push-ups and ran 1.5 miles 15% slower than their male counterparts. After 1 year of taking masculinising hormones, there was no longer a difference in push-ups or run times, and the number of sit-ups performed in 1 min by transmen exceeded the average performance of their male counterparts.
But what season you’re born in also influences your strength and fitness:
There were significant main effects of birth-month for cardiorespiratory fitness (F=4.54, p<0.001), strength (F=6.81, p<0.001) and power (F=3.67, p<0.001). Children born in November were fitter and more powerful than those born at other times, particularly the summer months (April, May and June). October-born children were stronger than those born in all months except September and November. This relationship was evident despite controlling for decimal age and despite no significant inter-month differences in anthropometric characteristics.
So maybe it’s not fair for all those poor summer babies to compete against unfairly blessed autumn athletes?
There’s enough biological diversity that fairness is basically an illusion anyway. I don’t care enough about sports to have a strong opinion. I think it’s fine to say giving up competitive sports is a cost of gender transition. I might think it’s also fine to let trans athletes compete except I would hate it if the women’s league became the trans league or if poor young kids felt pressure to transition in order to compete at a higher level and get life-changing scholarships or even a professional career.
Is that a legitimate fear? Maybe not. At the end of the day, I rarely watch sports. I would support letting them compete and seeing if it is a problem before passing laws to fix issues that don’t actually exist.
I think it’s fine to say giving up competitive sports is a cost of gender transition.
Yeah, I agree. This is a take I rarely see. And it’s just… a choice lots of kids make regardless of their gender identity for lots of social or physical reasons. I’ve known people who had accidents, then pulled out of it for fear of permanent physical harm. Lots of people also would love to play, but physically are unable to due to a too much/too little body mass for that sport. You can’t be a football offensive lineman if you weigh 120lbs and are 5’2". My nephew spent years training for baseball and was very good, but he physically wasn’t large enough to be competitive, so he had to give it up.
The notion that one MUST be able to play competitive sports is so… bizarre to me. If they can compete, great. But if they are wiping the floor with their peers because of their physical advantages… they should probably be playing as a man w/ men. And that’s not unprecedented. We had a few larger/stronger women play with boys when I was growing up and everyone was cool with it.
