So you’re defending ethnic cleansing as a “measured response,” like a “final solution,” would you say? Excellent, you keep outing yourself as a fascist more and more. I was wrong, I admit, I thought you were ignoring the evidence of ethnic cleansing instead of supporting the ethnic cleansing.
Which treaty are you specifically referring to, here? Ukraine had been a hotbed of far-right Banderite influence before they committed the Maidan massacre and couped the state in 2014, and that wasn’t because of Russian influence.
The Budapest Memorandum was explicitly stated to not be legally binding. It wasn’t guarantees, but assurances, and the US broke these assurances first:
“Although the Memorandum is not legally binding, we take these political commitments seriously and do not believe any U.S. sanctions, whether imposed because of human rights or non-proliferation concerns, are inconsistent with our commitments to Belarus under the Memorandum or undermine them. Rather, sanctions are aimed at securing the human rights of Belarusians and combating the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction and other illicit activities, not at gaining any advantage for the United States”.
This was the reasoning given for sanctioning Belarus in 2013. The west backing the far-right Banderite coup in 2014 was an even greater violation of Ukrainian sovereignty. Ukraine also did not give up “its” nukes, but returned the soviet nukes Moscow had stationed there prior to the dissolution of the USSR that were a part of the multi-national nature of the soviet union.
The Budapest Memorandum was neither binding nor respected by the west to begin with.
Also, if you want to have a conversation please try to restrain yourself from banning your interlocutor. I know it’s hard to justify an homicidal regime but at least don’t make me wait 4 days to show you how wrong and stupid you are.
If it’s not me doing so someone else or life itself will do so in due time, you cannot run away from truth your whole life (◠‿◕)
The worst kind of cope, as soon as you are presented with the truth of the matter, that Russia is a rogue state breaking international treaties by moving an unnecessary war to a neighbouring country, you immediately cope out by comparing fiscal sanctions placed by a completely different state not even on Russia directly to an all out war and, at the same time, you use the same reasoning presented by the USA you seem to reject to justify the atrocities of the Russian regime.
Moreover, it was the USA who “broke the treaty” (I’d love to see exactly which points of the treaty were broken by imposing sanctions, as the treaty was to avoid armed conflicts and does not mention sanctions as far as I am aware), by imposing sanctions over Belarus, why isn’t Put-it-in attacking the real villain of this story (in your eyes) but an innocent country and people instead?
Your kremlin-loving justifications never make any sense as long as one can think about them for more than a second; it’s astounding how wrong can a human being be on such an easy issue to understand
Ukraine’s government isn’t innocent, they have been ethnically cleansing ethnic Russians post-Euromaidan coup. Ukraine is not all Nazi, the Nazis in Ukraine are largely in the government of Ukraine and in fascist groups now folded into the government and millitary officially. I’m not wrong here at all, you still haven’t explained how Nazis committing ethnic cleansing is okay.
I didn’t delete shit, I was banned because there weren’t any counterarguments to the points I was presenting in my replies (which were also removed as well, would you look at that!).
The best part is that the moderator who banned me is being kept anonymous, what a courageous bunch we got on lemmy.ml (≧▽≦) (≧▽≦)
So you’re defending ethnic cleansing as a “measured response,” like a “final solution,” would you say? Excellent, you keep outing yourself as a fascist more and more. I was wrong, I admit, I thought you were ignoring the evidence of ethnic cleansing instead of supporting the ethnic cleansing.
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Ukraine broke the treaties, and the Banderites couped the state and started ethnically cleansing Russians. It’s ethnic cleansing, full stop.
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Which treaty are you specifically referring to, here? Ukraine had been a hotbed of far-right Banderite influence before they committed the Maidan massacre and couped the state in 2014, and that wasn’t because of Russian influence.
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The Budapest Memorandum was explicitly stated to not be legally binding. It wasn’t guarantees, but assurances, and the US broke these assurances first:
This was the reasoning given for sanctioning Belarus in 2013. The west backing the far-right Banderite coup in 2014 was an even greater violation of Ukrainian sovereignty. Ukraine also did not give up “its” nukes, but returned the soviet nukes Moscow had stationed there prior to the dissolution of the USSR that were a part of the multi-national nature of the soviet union.
The Budapest Memorandum was neither binding nor respected by the west to begin with.
Also, if you want to have a conversation please try to restrain yourself from banning your interlocutor. I know it’s hard to justify an homicidal regime but at least don’t make me wait 4 days to show you how wrong and stupid you are.
If it’s not me doing so someone else or life itself will do so in due time, you cannot run away from truth your whole life (◠‿◕)
I can’t ban anyone, lol, and I’m absolutely correct here. The communists, as usual, are correct.
The worst kind of cope, as soon as you are presented with the truth of the matter, that Russia is a rogue state breaking international treaties by moving an unnecessary war to a neighbouring country, you immediately cope out by comparing fiscal sanctions placed by a completely different state not even on Russia directly to an all out war and, at the same time, you use the same reasoning presented by the USA you seem to reject to justify the atrocities of the Russian regime. Moreover, it was the USA who “broke the treaty” (I’d love to see exactly which points of the treaty were broken by imposing sanctions, as the treaty was to avoid armed conflicts and does not mention sanctions as far as I am aware), by imposing sanctions over Belarus, why isn’t Put-it-in attacking the real villain of this story (in your eyes) but an innocent country and people instead?
Your kremlin-loving justifications never make any sense as long as one can think about them for more than a second; it’s astounding how wrong can a human being be on such an easy issue to understand
Ukraine’s government isn’t innocent, they have been ethnically cleansing ethnic Russians post-Euromaidan coup. Ukraine is not all Nazi, the Nazis in Ukraine are largely in the government of Ukraine and in fascist groups now folded into the government and millitary officially. I’m not wrong here at all, you still haven’t explained how Nazis committing ethnic cleansing is okay.
…And they deleted their July 2023 account.
I didn’t delete shit, I was banned because there weren’t any counterarguments to the points I was presenting in my replies (which were also removed as well, would you look at that!). The best part is that the moderator who banned me is being kept anonymous, what a courageous bunch we got on lemmy.ml (≧▽≦) (≧▽≦)
Wow, that’s certainly a reaction.