Rapid Response 47 is another Trump white alt spewing racist shit
Also I lived down the street from this. It’s not even that loud. I never heard it when I was living there.
Oh, also Minneapolis never burned to the ground. Like right wing people think.
It’s different because it’s not a bell, and it’s not white people making the noise. Stupid question.
This is a time when understanding what Islam truly is is of the upmost importance.
It is the 2nd most likely direction humanity might go.
I hear that Muslims think that anyone that is not blessed in their religion, even infants, will go to hell. They have a single religious leader that has absolute control over their theocratic state and has influence over leaders from around the world (historically, even power over them). They have a history of holy wars, torture of those of other faith, and holding back any knowledge and scientific progress that challenges their doctrine. They adorn their holy places with devices of torture and execution. And they practice ritualistic cannibalism of a holy man regularly, even feeding it to their children.
Oh sorry… that’s Catholics.
Only some of that is true. Protestants are the ones who think everyone else is definitely hellbound, Catholics believe there’s reasonable hope for the salvation of non-believers and the pope they started the year with stirred controversy by saying he personally liked to think hell is empty. Also the Vatican is technically under absolute papal control, but a) it’s a square mile in the capital of another country, and b) it doesn’t have a military. They can’t really do anything with their absolute control except provide sanctuary. Now, I’m not going to act like their sanctuary is uncontroversial, they hid both fascists and their victims, and they do continue to hide their pedos there sometimes, but it’s not like they have secret police disappearing people or citizens with no other allegiances, it’s the only country you can’t be born a citizen of.
The point wasn’t to shit on Catholics. It was meant to demonstrate and mock how framing otherwise basically true facts in a certain way can turn what would otherwise be considered “normal” church history and religious activity into something more menacing. This is often used to vilify non-normalized religions, cultures, etc.
Lot of bs. Catholic as far as I know is the only religion where non believer aren’t damned to hell. If they act rightfully trough their life they won t go in heaven but a place call lymb where they will live happily until the end of time. The only difference with heaven is they won’t get to see God. The pope doesn’t have influence over leader around the world. I mean he ask for the end of war in Gaza or ukraine and look how it goes. They never hold scientific progress and where keeper of it during a time science wasn’t spread because of the need of manual labor. Meanwhile Muslim littérale genocide ppl of other faith. So often ressort to violence that u have wikipedia page about it for any european country. Littérale believe the earth is falt and so on. It s not even comparable. It s just bad faith argument over and over that want to compare the incomparable. I would 100x time prefer to be Muslim in a christian country than the opposite.
Forgot about it but children forced marriage are legal in islam u dont need the child permission only his father and it s well done cause rape in marriage doesn’t exist. So it s litteraly pedophilia legal and permit under religious law just with extra step. Compare this to Christianity just expose your stupidity
Catholic as far as I know is the only religion where non believer aren’t damned to hell.
So, I did exaggerate a bit sort of. Under Catholism, the virtuous non-beliver and unbaptised innocents go to Limbo, which is not exactly Hell. But Limbo is not a happy place either. It is like an offshoot of hell, minus the explicit pain and punishment of actual hell. It’s residents are described as suffering by their separation from God.
Also Catholics are most definitely not the only religion that doesnt condemn non-believer to hell or the equivalent. There are plenty of religions without even a concept of hell or an analogous eternal punishment, so that’s simply not the case.
The pope doesn’t have influence over leader around the world.
Horseshit. He doesn’t have control, but to pretend that he has no influence is at best ignorant and at worst dishonest.
I mean he ask for the end of war in Gaza or ukraine and look how it goes.
So because violent leaders don’t follow his directives, that means his influence is null?
They never hold scientific progress
They have historically been patrons and stewards of the sciences. However there are moments in history where conflict between doctrine and scientific discovery have led to the church using its overwhelming power to suppress the science and condemn its discoverer(s). Galileo and his Heliocentric model is obviously the most notable of such cases.
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See, you misunderstood the point. My point was about how easy it is to frame facts in a way that makes what would otherwise be seen as normal religious activities and history to us make a religion seem abnormal and menacing in comparison. This was a critique of that framing, not of the Catholic church. You then got super defensive and then doubled down on this framing against Muslims.
Catholicism is fine. Silly but fine. Islam is fine. Silly but fine. More or less all religions are silly but fine until fundamentalists, bigots, jihadists (Muslim or otherwise), theocrats, or or any other prick that uses religion to push their terrible fucking ideas onto others or to justify hurting others gets involved. Islamic states are a problem, no doubt. But frankly any religious theocracy is, and for the exact same reasons.
So, I did exaggerate a bit sort of. Under Catholism, the virtuous non-beliver and unbaptised innocents go to Limbo, which is not exactly Hell. But Limbo is not a happy place either. It is like an offshoot of hell, minus the explicit pain and punishment of actual hell. It’s residents are described as suffering by their separation from God.
again you exagerate. The pain come from the separation of god. Not tormenty or anything else. It s describe as happy place but your not complete.
Horseshit. He doesn’t have control, but to pretend that he has no influence is at best ignorant and at worst dishonest.
Give one exemple of his great influence ? Yeah he have some but it doesnt have any ramifications
Galileo and his Heliocentric model is obviously the most notable of such cases.
And that s just misinformation. Galileo wasnt reprimended for his discovery but for having use published it without enough evidence for suporting his claim while he did ask before and that was refuse. He litteraly use church ressource to do something that he was forbiden to do prior.
Catholicism is fine. Silly but fine. Islam is fine. Silly but fine
ok you loose any credibility. U do the basic im super smart since im atheist and i dont believe in god just to loose any credibility by not even be abble to properly criticize. U know what im the first aware that the church (wich isnt the same as the faith) isnt perfect and made a lot of mistake. U framing it as it was comparable to a religion that the literal interpretation allow you do to crime againts mankind is wild and quite horrendous about your knowledge on the subject
Keep up the pedantry and ironic bigotry, dude. Keep on pretending that Catholocism/The Bible doesn’t actively support religious murder, slavery, rape, incest, etc, same as the Islam/Quran. Fine by me.
could u cite me where the bible does those ? before you go and quote me the old testament, that s the jew book. I dont pretend, i know it wich doesnt seem to be the case for you. You can litteraly proove me wrong by just quoting the most well known book of human history. Shouldn’t be hard ?
before you go and quote me the old testament, that s the jew book.
That’s still part of your holy text. The fact that Christians love to shit on the Jews for their book while being it into their own with the lame copout of ‘bUt JeSuS iNvAlIdAtEd It’ while reading out of it at every mass would be hilarious if they weren’t so oblivious to their hypocrisy.
Edited out the hostility, but this is absolutely still bigotry
that s the jew book
With all due respect, no. Christians of all stripes quote the old testament ALLLLLLL the time to justify their actions.
Also, ‘the jew book’? Are you trying to sound antisemitic on top of everything else?
could u cite me
Go back to the harbor, sealion. We’re not doing your homework for you.
so u can proove anything ? right i have no ida why reddit atheist became an insult.
Also, ‘the jew book’? Are you trying to sound antisemitic on top of everything else?
No just that the book doesnt hold the same wieght for different beliefs. if it souns anti semitic i t s a you issue.
LMAO
Prove me wrong right here in this book, but umm ignore the first half of it, that the church definitely considers canon.
Certainly you can do a better job trolling than that!
it s cannon but it doesnt hold the same weight. That s why i said that. I can explain to you what s the difference but we keep it simple. yet you can still proove me wrong u have a whole book for that
Funny discounting the old testament with antisemitism while Catholicism is absolutely full of doctrine with no basis in either testament at all. Limbo being a notable example, funnily enough, along with the authority and divinity of the Pope/Holy See, the immaculate birth of Mary, canonized saints, etc. But, sure, pretend like half of your holy book doesn’t matter for Catholics, but hold every word of the Quran against every Muslim without an ounce of self-awareness.
funnily enough, along with the authority and divinity of the Pope/infallibility of the Holy See, the immaculate birth of Mary, canonized saints, etc.
Funny how all of these are just tenant of the faith and nothing here allow u to mistreat non beliver.
pretend like half of your holy book doesn’t matter for Catholics and can’t be held against you
I only pretend it was before the new testatment wich by jesus word cancel the old one.
but hold every word of the Quran against every Muslim without an ounce of self-awareness.
Omg he criticise an holly book that allow violence and bunch of shit. We atheist are deeply schock that differents religions can be categorize worse than other. Not a once of self awareness. Idk dude jesus didnt marry an 6yo and did military conquest. If u feel thoses are in the same league im just feel your opinion on the matter dont matter
The Crusades would like a word.
litteraly protecting peacefull traveler against who ? where the start of the religion is litteraly a military conquest
That’s like saying America was only protecting small business owners in South Vietnam
that’s an ahistorical view of the crusades…
Personally I think church bells are really annoying too and I’m super glad I live somewhere where they don’t do that regularly.
It isn’t different
All orginized religion is social cancer
amen!
Tbf how organized is a religion if government is actively oppressing it?
Like don’t get me wrong, I know religious muslims are homophobic too. But you won’t see them walk up to the cashier and start yelling about how “pork is against Islam” when they see a peppa the pigs t-shirt.
I prefer secular bells
Clock bells have a purpose.
Except they don’t always ring on the hours anymore, the one near me must be 15 minutes before mass or something it’s always going off at x:45 or sometimes x:15. Completely worthless for me, just noise.
I’m not religious but I’ve lived near both and the Muslim call to prayer is sooooooo much worse. Not even just the frequency but the call itself - the first time it went off, I muted my music thinking it was some kind of ominous warning. I mean no offense but it sounds like pained wailing.
The bells are quite pleasant imo. But now I live by a Jewish temple and there’s no sound, I like that the most
I agree it’s definitely possible it’s a legitimate noise complaint. Just as ringing bells could be a legitimate nuisance.
I didn’t like hearing the midnight/dawn call to prayer when I was in Turkey, and I wouldn’t like it if a church across the street was ringing its bells at that time either.
Yeah, I agree with the poster that it’s hypocritical - but you do not want to live nearby any of the mosques that blast daily prayers.
They’re long, they’re loud, they go five times a day (prior to dawn, start of work day, after work day, and late evening prior to sleep)… and I’m sure they all buy their loudspeakers from the same place that supplies cheap drive-thrus.
Man the speaker thing hits home. The one I lived by had a buzz to it, sounded like they were doing the announcements a kazoo.
Or the local Methodist church that plays a loudspeaker hymn at noon everyday.
That’s different, because it is doing God’s Will and Bringing People to Jesus. We’re saving people’s souls!!!
The Radical Islamic Jihadists are doing Allah’s Will and Bringing People to Mohammad, which damns them to hell.
There’s a neighbourhood in New York that had a whole ass siren to announce Shabbos. And not a small one, it was a Sentry 40V2T which is one of the loudest outdoor warning sirens produced today. Needless to say that got shut down years ago.
Here’s a video from 10 years ago of the siren.
It was missing many of its horns but still proved far too loud.
That’s INSANE. And for a non emergency.
Oh, fuck that.
However long that took to get shut down, it wasn’t fast enough.
Cool I wish we had a neighborhood like that. I really appreciate other people’s cultures
In that the primary function of the bells (at least where I live) is the telling of time, not religious broadcasting. There is no inherent message in the chiming of the clocks. In general, the bells chime every full hour during during daytime, and clock towers aren’t necessarily exclusive to churches either.
There is certainly an argument to be made however that they should be removed due to being redundant, intrusive and outdated.
If I had a choice between both being allowed and both prohibited, the choice would be prohibiting both, always. It’s a question of freedom from religion - we shouldn’t have to live with religious propaganda being blasted into our homes.
Where I live it isn’t. The bells ring 15 min before each mass and that’s it. Mass at 13:40? Bells go off at 13:25. On Sunday this happens several times a day at “random” times of day that have nothing to do with telling the time.
Eesh, that sounds obnoxious
I hate both, just shut up.
Agree, they can broadcast of a community radio channel or use an app.
It isn’t. Both things are dumb, but in order to live in a free society, we have to let people be dumb, even if it’s not our specific kind of dumb.
Meh I feel opposite. Both are a cultural thing. Let people have some semblance of a community.
It’s pretty different though, one is a literal prayer, one is an announcement.
i think in this particular case it’s not much different, but generally the muezzin calls five times each day plus a sixth bonus time on fridays for the jumu’ah. this can be even more annoying than the christian stupid sunday morning bell, when everyone is still hungover; that is, if they actually do it from the minaret, but they can also use messengers, radio, etc.
Where I use to live the church bells would ring every hour and the amount of times it rang represented what time it was.
You get used to it, I know from experience. I found it easier than getting used to Sunday church bells because it’s more frequent.
Some churches ring three times a day for daily prayer. Dunno how common that is in the US.
I live near a town with a street that was named “church street”, not because the church was on it, but seven. The town as a whole has at least 17 that I know of.
About half of them have bells, and of those, 5 ring every hour on the hour all day and night, one rings every hour from 8am to 8pm, two or three ring 3x a day (sunrise, noon, sunset) and the others either don’t have bells or don’t use them regularly enough for me to notice.
I can hear the chiming from my back yard, which is several miles away from the city limits.
I don’t know how people put up with it, honestly. It’s nothing to do with my dislike for religion in general, I just hate all that noise, and would not be able to live close to them.
I do think my town is a bit of an anomaly though.
5 ring every hour on the hour all day and night, one rings every hour from 8am to 8pm
To be fair those are clock bells and not really about religion.
While not inherently religious, they come from a religious building.
Besides, I’d argue that If it were simply about being a clock, they wouldn’t all be going, every single day, competing with each other for the most ridiculous “music” at noon that can last up to 3 minutes.
I lived in Oxford for a few years and, if anything, I became rather fond of all the bell ringing. But I can see why someone might have the opposite reaction.
The jesuit school by my work does ring them at least thrice a day. They are kinda nice though. I agree nobody needs public alarms now we have clocks in our pockets though.
ETA: they ring hourly. I checked today.
Uncommon around me and I’m in a pretty pluralistic area with lots of churches, temples, mosques, etc within a couple miles. The only one I get is the alert system test on the same day and hour once a month. I think beyond a certain decibel would violate public noise ordinances.
If the church bell is too loud your windows suck. Or your bell is not compliant.
A lot of our windows do suck dude. Landlords are fucking parasites who don’t invest in good windows.
That’s not up to code.
My landlord when I tell them we don’t have hot water for the third week in a row:
My landlord when Gladaed@feddit.org says their windows aren’t up to code on Lemmy:
Literally don’t pay rent. If you are not sure about how much rent you can dock ask your local Tenants Union. Make sure to stay in the legal bounds.
Believe it or not, infractions happen every day
Cite the code, I’ll even accept IBC.
(WSchVO) 1977 in West Germany. Your pseudo international building code is not international, btw.
Me when I’m privileged enough not to live in the US where the building code is literally cardboard walls and plastic windows.
I don’t live there. They asked for an example.
