• etherphon@midwest.social
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    24 days ago

    Honestly if people want communism and socialism to be taken seriously you gotta drop all the soviet imagery.

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      24 days ago

      drop all the soviet imagery

      if people want communism

      Tell you what, we’ll stop venerating Actual Existing Socialists when you guys quit dry humping plantation owners and genocidal war mongers.

      Get Jefferson of the $20 and I promise never to quote Stalin again.

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        23 days ago

        calling Stalin a socialist is like calling North Korea a bastion of freedom, associating with people like him is why its so easy for the shitty rich people to claim we are evil

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          23 days ago

          Stalin was a committed Marxist-Leninist, and oversaw the world’s first socialist state for the overwhelming majority of its most tumultuous period. He was no saint, but at the same time was no monster either. He is remembered by liberal historians as far worse than comtemporaries like Churchill who in actuality were far worse than Stalin.

          As Nia Frome says, we can either distance ourselves from Stalin, and by extension the USSR and actually existing socialism, or we can fight back against bourgeois narratives about Stalin and the USSR, acknowledging their faults while being able to uphold their tremendous successes as examples of the possibilities of socialism in power. Historical nihilism, and throwing Stalin and by extension much of the early soviet union under the bus, was ultimately what allowed for liberalization within the USSR and partially contributed to the death of socialism in eastern Europe.

          Demystifying Stalin

          I know that after my death a pile of rubbish will be heaped on my grave, but the wind of History will sooner or later sweep it away without mercy.

          • J. V. Stalin
          1. Nia Frome’s “Tankies”

          [8 min]

          1. W. E. B Dubois’ On Stalin

          [6 min]

          1. Domenico Losurdo’s Primitive Thinking and Stalin as Scapegoat

          [30 min]

          1. Domenico Losurdo’s Stalin and Stalinism in History

          [16 min]

          1. J. V. Stalin interviewed by H. G. Wells

          [42 min]

          1. J. V. Stalin interviewed by Emil Ludwig

          [38 min]

          1. J. V. Stalin interviewed by Roy Howard

          [9 min]

          1. Domenico Losurdo’s Stalin: The History and Critique of a Black Legend

          [5 hr 51 min]

          1. Ludo Martens’ Another View of Stalin

          [5 hr 25 min]

          1. Anna Louise Strong’s This Soviet World

          Stalin's Major Theoretical Contributions to Marxism

          I have come to communism because of daddy Stalin and nobody must come and tell me that I mustn’t read Stalin. I read him when it was very bad to read him. That was another time. And because I’m not very bright, and a hard-headed person, I keep on reading him. Especially in this new period, now that it is worse to read him. Then, as well as now, I still find a Seri of things that are very good.

          • Che Guevara
          1. Economic Problems of Socialism in the USSR

          2. Dialectical and Historical Materialism

          3. History of the CPSU (B)

          4. The Foundations of Leninism

          5. Marxism and the National Question


          As for the DPRK, it isn’t a utopia, but it’s also a democratically controlled country. It has 3 major parties in power, the WPK has the broad majority of control while a social democratic party and a religious party also hold minor aspects of control. They have worker councils that allow for democratic decision making, and people for the most part have their needs taken care of by the socialist system they have. The DPRK is poor, but despite that achieve far greater metrics than peer countries at similar levels of wealth and development thanks to their socialist system.

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          23 days ago

          calling Stalin a socialist is like calling North Korea a bastion of freedom

          It’s also like…

          Calling january 6 funny

          Calling russians humans

          Calling tankman a video

          Calling nordstream 2 sabotaged by usa

          Calling moldovan elections rigged by the eu

          They’re all provably true, yet liberals will always lie about them.

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      24 days ago

      I’ll let the various communist parties currently in power in countries like the PRC, Vietnam, etc. to distance themselves from the hammer and sickle, as you don’t personally take them seriously.

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              China’s socialist market economy, unlike FDR’s New Deal, is commanded by public ownership as the principle aspect of the economy under a proletarian-led and controlled state, unlike FDR’s bourgeois controlled imperialist state. Socialism isn’t simply having safety nets, it’s a mode of production.

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                Totally, totally. Those are the nets I think of when i think of their production. Very proletarian led, that’s why they need all the cops and censorship.

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                  The worker’s state needs worker’s cops and worker’s censorship. Crime and cia outlets don’t magically disappear in a worker’s state.

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                  24 days ago

                  Those are the nets I think of when i think of their production.

                  It’s weird how liberals will insist “one county, two systems” is a fiction, then point to a glaring example of Hong Kong labor policy and blame Beijing.

                  Nevermind the fact that you’re describing Foxcon, a Taiwanese company focused on manufacturing for American and Japanese electronics distributed into Western markets.

                  That’s the evil Chinese Communism you’re complaining about. No word on when Americans plan to sanction Foxcon for these abhorrent labor practices.