Star Wars fans when they realize the movies were based on the Vietnam war, and the empire was America.
Didn’t then and don’t most Americans now see the Vietnam war as wrong and hated it from the beginning? Many calling returning soldiers baby killers. I’ve always heard/thought that but it could just be anecdotal to my experience.
Unironically why I give a political damn. This movie was formative for my political alignment, right from my childhood.
Some of us actually got the message.
The last group of rebels we had in the US where scum.
The weather underground weren’t great, but ‘scum’ seems a little harsh.
Edit: wait, were the panthers after them? Because the panthers were awesome, and if you want to assert they are scum, the world is probably better off without you.
I assumed they meant the confederates from the US civil war, but I have no idea who’s sincere and who’s taking the piss online sometimes.
Yeah there’s been no history since the mid 1800s and nothing counts unless a white supremacist does it. It’s a pretty common view of history.
Admittedly, most formal attempts at rebellion against the American government since the Confederates are historically obscure. Whether they should be is an entirely seperate debate, but they are, so assuming malice on the part of someone not knowing more recent movements feels presumptuous
Because white supremacists who we let make all our economic decisions didn’t put150 years of nonstop effort into valorizing them.
That does not change my point. Despite- or perhaps because of- their efforts, the average American couldn’t even tell you accurately when the Civil War happened from memory. It’s once again not strictly their fault they don’t know about those movements.
Reading this, I get the impression you’re taking the ides that people are products of their environment and the concept of personal responsibility is mostly a tool to deflect from systemic horrors, and applying them very selectively based on who you think of as evil.
Which is certainly a choice.
Are you interested in deciphering what they meant or in maximizing correctness?
A new account like that with exponential comments might just be rage baiting
Its genuinely a position lots of people holy uncritically. I don’t respect it or the
peopleentities that hold it
What is this campist shit.
This is as shallow as “girls are dumb”.
Sir, this is a shitpost community.
Oh sorry. So removing all mention of nuance from my previous comment, and adding a bit about tankies, because we can’t have shitposting without mentioning tankies:
What is this tankie campist shit?
I prefer tankards
Watching liberals find out they’re not actually leftists is my favourite part of this community tbh. Bless your heart dear.
Rewarding to read as well <3
I can’t hear you over the sound of tank treads crushing grassroots working class organizing.
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I know. Been here long enough to start caring about calling out campist BS.
We lost a lot of good men on the death star. Did you guys know I was supposed to be on it, but I missed my transport. I should have died that day.
In the original Star Wars, the Empire was based on the American empire and the rebellion was based on the Vietcong according to George Lucas.
Kind of ironic that the Star Wars franchise became worse during the time the US became even more like the Empire.
Andor S2 was good though.
I’d argue that it hasn’t been truly good until Andor.
I mean that would make more sense that it it got worse because the US got worse and more fascist
Man I can’t keep the narrative straight, are western countries supposed to be responsible for most of the rebellions in the world or are they supposed to be opposed to rebellions?
Yeah, some people on the internet like to oversimplify and I get how your impression arises that those people bend the narrative how they like it.
On the other hand, it’s pretty well-documented that
- western governments work with authoritarian leaders when they’re not hostile to western corporate interests (see, e.g. Saudi Arabia)
- western governments fund opposition groups no matter if they’re democratic or not as long as they can expect an outcome that’s better for their corporations’ interests (see, e.g. the guy that leads the current Syrian government; see also the royalist opposition in Iran [mostly in exile])
Also left-wing opposition inside western states is often demonized although we have similar aims as some highly-praised opposition movements in other countries.
The problem here is only blaming western governments, this is a problem of all governments and why we need to work towards a stateless system.
It’s still needlessly oversimplifying to imply that all or only western governments work with authoritarian leaders who are friendly to their interests, for example. There’s plenty of non-western countries happy to spread bloodshed and tyranny, and there’s plenty of western countries that oppose it.
needlessly oversimplifying to imply that all or only western governments work with authoritarian leaders
What else do you call it when a multi-trillion dollar corporate enterprise sells surveillance data to every racist sheriff’s office and royal secret police and aspiring military dictator from South Dakota to Siam?
I wish we were oversimplifying things.
What else do you call it when a multi-trillion dollar corporate enterprise sells surveillance data to every racist sheriff’s office and royal secret police and aspiring military dictator from South Dakota to Siam?
Capitalism.
WTF do western governments got to do with what private companies are doing?
Famously, there is no relationship between the chief executives of big business and the politicians in high office
ah yes, the most nuanced of political takes: the west is the devil and the cause of all evil.
how is this take any different than the u.s. propoganda that would say very similar shit about communism. it’s all the same team sports bullshit. politics is way more complicated than that. there is no great boogeyman that you can point a finger at as “the bad guy”.
every problem is more nuanced than side vs side. anyone that tells you otherwise is just being divisive and wants to push you to hate. not to support their ideas and solutions. you’ll notice that takes like this never offer a solution or a goal other than blame. it’s OK to just ignore the finger pointers. they never accomplish anything and are usually pushing hate.
so basically, bring anything other than hate and blame and I’ll listen. otherwise fuck off with your propoganda.
how is this take any different than the u.s. propoganda that would say very similar shit about communism.
It’s true, that’s how it’s different. There’s nothing “complicated” about how Britain installed the Shah in Iran or America helped Saddam wage a war with Iran that killed half a million people. Some things are just fucking evil.
there is no great boogeyman that you can point a finger at as “the bad guy”.
Well, there is no boogeyMAN but there is boogeyCLASS and they are the billionaire/trillionaire class
and even then the problem isn’t the individuals so much as the systems that allow them to accumulate wealth.
Being a liberal must be so confusing
Can’t be more confusing than keeping track of the myriad different realities you all have to create in otherwise to cook those edgy memes!
Ah, namecalling instead of addressing the criticism of your meme.
According to them, Lando did nothing wrong.
https://www.npr.org/2023/02/26/1159580425/newspapers-have-dropped-the-dilbert-comic-strip-after-a-racist-rant-by-its-creat
dogbert is not a real leftist, he’s alt-right pretending to be a tankiewait, you saying @dogbert@lemmy.zip is this Scott Adams‽
no, i mean if he’s naming himself after Scott Adam’s comic, who’s a racist and alt-right-winger, then he’s definitely not the tankie he’s pretending to be….
but also just about all tankies are faking it and that’s why you only see them online.dogbert≠dilbert.
But we can agree Americans love Nazis.dogbert is the name of dilbert’s dog, in the comic dilbert.
he also admitted the connection in another comment
This is giving “the Nazis are socialist! It says so in the name!”. The liberal mind truly is an infantile and confused beast.
Pretty sure @ozymandias@lemmy.dbzer0.com is a comrade. Both of you calm down. I just think ozymandias needs lenses. Somehow rad misread your name as
dilberti hate liberals more than you do, nazi
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Americans when they don’t realize most of the West isn’t American, don’t speak English, and don’t generally oppose rebellion against oppressors. Ireland, for example.
Unfortunately ireland is the exception not the rule and even they have their faults
C’mon you can’t bring up Ireland as representative of the West when they’re the OG colony. By that metric the West is anti-Zionist.
they’re the OG colony
Lol.
Sure add: Greece. Portugal. Italy. France. Spain. Armed antifascist struggles, may 68, general strikes, civil wars, guerilla groups, etc.
Like the reductiveness of “West bad” is so insanely naive that it hurts.
Clearly the meme is referring to rebellions against the interests of the country in question. So since they brought up Ireland: How supportive were the British of the Irish war of independence? What about the IRA during the Troubles? How does France react when its neocolonial empire in Africa is disrupted? Before 2023, what was your average European’s image of Palestinian resistance? And so on. With some exceptions, these supposed liberatory ethos are thrown out the window the moment they become inconvenient.
Thank you!
Every single time?
Name one major American rebellion that wasn’t the Boston Tea Party or the Civil War. And in said rebellion, depict how Americans acted in any way like this stupid meme.
Lastly, Star Ware was most certainly NOT based on the Vietnam War. Lucas himself said it was mostly based on the mythology of the Hero’s Journey, WWII where the Axis was the inspiration for The Empire, biblical events, Ancient Rome, and the American Revolution- depicting the rebels as being the Americans fighting off the brits.
You people really need to stop recreating reality and adjust your world view accordingly.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/2005/05/18/star-wars-inadvertently-hits-too-close-to-uss-role/
Lucas, you see, originally conceived “Star Wars” while many Americans were questioning leadership during Richard Nixon’s presidency. “It was really about the Vietnam War, and that was the period where Nixon was trying to run for a [second] term, which got me to thinking historically about how do democracies get turned into dictatorships?” Lucas said at his Skywalker Ranch earlier this month. “Because the democracies aren’t overthrown; they’re given away.”
How neat! An article where Lucas admitted there are parallels, yet were entirely coincidental!
January 6 bitch.
J6. Was a sitting president clinging on to power after he lost an election. Not a rebellion.
It’s an insurrection or putsch at the very least
Different thing. Tyranny rather than chafing at the yoke
Rebellion is just when you attempt regime change with violence, it doesn’t require being morally in the right
I didn’t say morally. The CSA were afraid the big scary federal government would take all their precious human property from the and give them voting rights! The Horror!
It is possible for the underdog to be a monster; they make those in lotsa sizes
Han Solo was a Tankie
You misspelled Saw Gerrera.
I mean, Admiral Ackbar, pretty much by definition
When you’re Princess Leia, without the Princess status, and Landos betrayed me thrice in America.
