I think Lemmy is training me not to start arguments because all y’all lemmings don’t just yell into the void, you link back to further reading and now if I want to stand my ground I’m gonna have to do like an hour(s) of research. Welp, maybe if I didn’t want to do research on a complex topic I shouldn’t have started talking about Chinese economic policy… Sigh
I still think you’re dead wrong for the moment but the order and civility with which you’re presenting your claims when faced with my admittedly hostile tone in the previous comments is something I admire. I’ll get back to you after I’ve done some research.
We Marxists have a saying: no investigation, no right to speak. Given the immense hostility to Marxism and to socialist countries in the English speaking world and internet, those of us that come to Marxism generally only do so through reading, studying, organizing, and facing material reality head-on and finding that the dominant narrative doesn’t line up.
I used to share skepticism for China like you do now, and it took a lot of reading and conversation with comrades for me to come around to being pro-China. The kicker there is that you’ll find those supportive of socialism, Marxism, etc have mountains of sources ready to go, because most of us have been through that same process, while most of those opposed to socialism and opposed to China have done so through cultural osmosis.
In general, as long as you maintain an open mind and try to speak on what you’ve investigated previously, you’ll rarely be outright wrong.
For what it’s worth, me being more civil is more of a personal choice than the norm, I’ve been doing this for years and have found good success by doing so. Others will also have their own collection of sources, but may not be so civil.
I think Lemmy is training me not to start arguments because all y’all lemmings don’t just yell into the void, you link back to further reading and now if I want to stand my ground I’m gonna have to do like an hour(s) of research. Welp, maybe if I didn’t want to do research on a complex topic I shouldn’t have started talking about Chinese economic policy… Sigh
I still think you’re dead wrong for the moment but the order and civility with which you’re presenting your claims when faced with my admittedly hostile tone in the previous comments is something I admire. I’ll get back to you after I’ve done some research.
We Marxists have a saying: no investigation, no right to speak. Given the immense hostility to Marxism and to socialist countries in the English speaking world and internet, those of us that come to Marxism generally only do so through reading, studying, organizing, and facing material reality head-on and finding that the dominant narrative doesn’t line up.
I used to share skepticism for China like you do now, and it took a lot of reading and conversation with comrades for me to come around to being pro-China. The kicker there is that you’ll find those supportive of socialism, Marxism, etc have mountains of sources ready to go, because most of us have been through that same process, while most of those opposed to socialism and opposed to China have done so through cultural osmosis.
In general, as long as you maintain an open mind and try to speak on what you’ve investigated previously, you’ll rarely be outright wrong.
For what it’s worth, me being more civil is more of a personal choice than the norm, I’ve been doing this for years and have found good success by doing so. Others will also have their own collection of sources, but may not be so civil.
And Cowbee is legit the goat. One of my favorite posters for sure. Thanks for what you do. 🫡
Thank you comrade! 🫡