Tankies are so close to the far right when they defend the dictatorship of the totalitarian USSR.
Far right stuff like the defeat of Nazism in Europe which saved all 100+ million peoples between Berlin and the Urals from extermination.
Far right stuff like universal healthcare and education to the highest level for free, leading to an increase from 28 years of life expectancy in pre-revolutionary times to almost 70 years of age by 1960s.
Far right stuff like universal right to housing and to work, bringing the complete abolition of homelessness and unemployment.
Far right stuff like bringing about the lowest income inequality that the region has seen in its history by an incredible margin
Far right stuff like supporting anti-imperialist liberation movements all over the globe as early as 1936 (civil war in Spain, my homeland, was only given weapons by the Soviets to fight the fascists) and throughout its entire existence (Korea, Vietnam, Cuba, anti-colonial movements all over Africa, Latin America and Asia)
Far right stuff like having the highest female representation in institutions at the time and being the first country to give voting rights to women
Far right stuff like the policy of preservation of local cultures and languages (for comparison, look up the number of Occitan speakers in France between years 1900 and 2000)
Far right stuff like having a self-sustained economy that didn’t rely on the exploitation of billions in the global south and which had favorable trade terms with other countries in the COMECON and subsidy of third countries such as Cuba through e.g. the “programa petróleo por azúcar”
But yeah, the evil stalinists had prisons during WW2, a war that killed 25 million Soviet citizens!! What a bunch of evil right wing totalitarians!!!
Describing ethnicity based deportations and gulags as “”““prisons””“” is one hell of a stretch.
This also neglects the amount of emancipatory legislation that Stalin repealed during his reign. Like recriminalizing homosexuality, abolishing the local language initiatives and instead pushing for his russification of the country (compare the ethnic make up of the Soviet leadership in 1921 and 1939)
The Soviet Union had its successes and it had its abject failures. Acknowledging them doesnt make you a librul or a revisionist.
Describing ethnicity based deportations and gulags as “”““prisons””“” is one hell of a stretch
Ethnicity based deportations were in fact not prisons, and they were a deplorable and unjustified episode that I wholeheartedly condemn and must be never repeated again. The GULAG system was literally prisons though, it’s just the acronym of the prison system at the time.
As for the rest of your comment, yes, bad policy and mistakes were made during the hardest times of history. We could have a calm conversation and discussion about those, and honestly, I haven’t seen more honest criticism of failures of policy than that in Marxist-Leninist discussion, because people actually bother getting informed and reading about the topic instead of reproducing CIA propaganda. “Goolag hundred million deaths” is not good analysis.
The Soviet Union had its successes and it had its abject failures
Yes, and you’d be surprised how much debate there is about the problems of the USSR in actual Marxist-Leninist circles. The fact of the matter is that it still was the most emancipating socialist experiment up to its day, the first state in the world to achieve collectivization of lands, it empowered hundreds of millions of people to fight against western imperialism, and achieved all of this while living in a world dominated by western imperialism and under constant threat and the most refined and well-funded strategies to topple it.
“No, you see it’s very simple: tankies are bad because the west can’t be evil. I put my X on a paper therefore I live in a DemocracyTM and I can exploit and coup other countries because we need to teach these savages some culture.”
You gotta love all these brave downvoters with zero arguments.
No, let’s focus on the totally evil government of a country that has never invaded anyone and keep pushing them as the most evil thing on the planet with the Totally True™ Stories of intergenerational prisons, of government-sanctioned haircuts, and of big big totalitarianism and prison system (nevermind the US being the highest prison population country). Their government system may be weird and have some cult of personality, but nothing to do with the entire destruction of the country by the US and its later isolation from the global stage, right?
I agree with you on a great many things. Learning about Laos via meeting some locals in Riviera Beach (not the nice one you’re thinking of) and some wiki hole after seeing the Anthony Bourdain episode. I’m not going to argue that the US is some bastion of moral righteousness. But just any dictatorship is << than whatever the fuck we got going on. Ffs Kim just murdered his own uncle in broad daylight not a fucking year ago.
There are levels of fucked uppedness, and North Korea’s current regime is just south of the Khmer rouge.
I said “extremely oppressive” which is objectively factual. They have a ‘supreme leader’ who legally controls the police, the military, the executive branch of govt and most facets of peoples lives. The ruling party is legally allowed to repress other parties, and so on… And so forth…
Tankies are so close to the far right when they defend the dictatorship of the totalitarian USSR.
Far right stuff like the defeat of Nazism in Europe which saved all 100+ million peoples between Berlin and the Urals from extermination.
Far right stuff like universal healthcare and education to the highest level for free, leading to an increase from 28 years of life expectancy in pre-revolutionary times to almost 70 years of age by 1960s.
Far right stuff like universal right to housing and to work, bringing the complete abolition of homelessness and unemployment.
Far right stuff like bringing about the lowest income inequality that the region has seen in its history by an incredible margin
Far right stuff like supporting anti-imperialist liberation movements all over the globe as early as 1936 (civil war in Spain, my homeland, was only given weapons by the Soviets to fight the fascists) and throughout its entire existence (Korea, Vietnam, Cuba, anti-colonial movements all over Africa, Latin America and Asia)
Far right stuff like having the highest female representation in institutions at the time and being the first country to give voting rights to women
Far right stuff like the policy of preservation of local cultures and languages (for comparison, look up the number of Occitan speakers in France between years 1900 and 2000)
Far right stuff like having a self-sustained economy that didn’t rely on the exploitation of billions in the global south and which had favorable trade terms with other countries in the COMECON and subsidy of third countries such as Cuba through e.g. the “programa petróleo por azúcar”
But yeah, the evil stalinists had prisons during WW2, a war that killed 25 million Soviet citizens!! What a bunch of evil right wing totalitarians!!!
Describing ethnicity based deportations and gulags as “”““prisons””“” is one hell of a stretch.
This also neglects the amount of emancipatory legislation that Stalin repealed during his reign. Like recriminalizing homosexuality, abolishing the local language initiatives and instead pushing for his russification of the country (compare the ethnic make up of the Soviet leadership in 1921 and 1939)
The Soviet Union had its successes and it had its abject failures. Acknowledging them doesnt make you a librul or a revisionist.
Ethnicity based deportations were in fact not prisons, and they were a deplorable and unjustified episode that I wholeheartedly condemn and must be never repeated again. The GULAG system was literally prisons though, it’s just the acronym of the prison system at the time.
As for the rest of your comment, yes, bad policy and mistakes were made during the hardest times of history. We could have a calm conversation and discussion about those, and honestly, I haven’t seen more honest criticism of failures of policy than that in Marxist-Leninist discussion, because people actually bother getting informed and reading about the topic instead of reproducing CIA propaganda. “Goolag hundred million deaths” is not good analysis.
Yes, and you’d be surprised how much debate there is about the problems of the USSR in actual Marxist-Leninist circles. The fact of the matter is that it still was the most emancipating socialist experiment up to its day, the first state in the world to achieve collectivization of lands, it empowered hundreds of millions of people to fight against western imperialism, and achieved all of this while living in a world dominated by western imperialism and under constant threat and the most refined and well-funded strategies to topple it.
“No, you see it’s very simple: tankies are bad because the west can’t be evil. I put my X on a paper therefore I live in a DemocracyTM and I can exploit and coup other countries because we need to teach these savages some culture.”
You gotta love all these brave downvoters with zero arguments.
I see them unironically supporting North Korea.
You’re totally right, they should join into the international bashing of the country that the USA bombed until 85% of THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF BUILDINGS IN THE COUNTRY were leveled, dropping more explosives than were used in the ENTIRE PACIFIC THEATER OF WW2. North Korea being completely leveled and bombed into the stone age and then economically sanctioned into oblivion (remember economic sanctions from USA and EU murder 560.000 people yearly since 1970) surely doesn’t affect them either does it?
No, let’s focus on the totally evil government of a country that has never invaded anyone and keep pushing them as the most evil thing on the planet with the Totally True™ Stories of intergenerational prisons, of government-sanctioned haircuts, and of big big totalitarianism and prison system (nevermind the US being the highest prison population country). Their government system may be weird and have some cult of personality, but nothing to do with the entire destruction of the country by the US and its later isolation from the global stage, right?
I agree with you on a great many things. Learning about Laos via meeting some locals in Riviera Beach (not the nice one you’re thinking of) and some wiki hole after seeing the Anthony Bourdain episode. I’m not going to argue that the US is some bastion of moral righteousness. But just any dictatorship is << than whatever the fuck we got going on. Ffs Kim just murdered his own uncle in broad daylight not a fucking year ago.
There are levels of fucked uppedness, and North Korea’s current regime is just south of the Khmer rouge.
Yeah, like that ^
They use huge whataboutisms to excuse the extremely oppressive regime running the country currently, as though any criticism is unreasonable.
What’s the prison population in North Korea? Give me data on what metrics you’re using
They are clearly arguing in bad faith, I refuse to believe someone is this disconnected with reality. Good job on explaining stuff tho comrade.
Who said anything about ‘prison population?’
I said “extremely oppressive” which is objectively factual. They have a ‘supreme leader’ who legally controls the police, the military, the executive branch of govt and most facets of peoples lives. The ruling party is legally allowed to repress other parties, and so on… And so forth…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_North_Korea
Inb4 “Wikipedia is a CIA psyop”
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Lemme guess, malding Pole/Baltic?